Now,
Christ had no children, so- oh, what I forgot to say was that the
event, the fractal soliton of improbability, has this quantum mechanical
half-charge so that in one of the universes it happens, in the other
universe it doesn’t happen. And so everything about these two worlds was
the same, except that in one of them the immaculate conception had not
taken place, or the resurrection had not taken place.
Now
because Christ had no children, the world in which he was absent, it
was not a genetic line which was missing, it was an ideological line
which never received expression. And consequently, as time passed, first
decades and then centuries, the absence of this particular intellectual
influence on the world changed the world, radically, in the following
way: Greek science did not suffer the suppression that occurred with the
conversion of Constantine. The academies were not closed, the hermetic
knowledge was not repressed. Conversely,
the Empire was stronger and was able to repel the barbarian invasions
of the 2nd to the 5th century, and, and mathematics, which had halted in
our world at Diaphantis, proceeded through his disciple Hypatia to
develop a calculus by AD 370 so that the millennium of Christian stasis
that occurred in our world did not occur in that world. And as time
passed and engineering advances occurred by around 850 they had ships
which were able to cross the Atlantic ocean and they encountered the
Mayan civilization reaching its fullest flower in Guatemala and on
the Yucatan peninsula. And in fact in this vision I saw the Roman
Emperor Cosmodorus the 5th make a pilgrimage to Tikal in 920 to be
present at the coronation of a king at the end of Baktun 8.
Anyway,
this Greco-Roman imperial culture immediately recognized the genius of
the Mayans in mathematics and astronomy and, and Europe was transformed
into an amalgamation, a Greco-Mayan civilization with, uh…[clears
throat] [laughter] So let me see, and, and this civilization continued
to develop. Now one of the influences around the year 950 was their
extremely sophisticated psychopharmacopaeia and shamanism. And this
mated with Neo-Platonism and Hermeticism, so that rather than science
developing as it developed in our world, a kind of magical,
psychopharmacolitic technology of thought and understanding was what was
developed over the centuries. And then in later centuries, centuries
before it happened in our world, they contacted the orient and the Sung,
the dynastic influence of the Sung, poured itself into the creation of
the global civilization such that by around 1200 AD they were able to
land on the moon and create a cybernetic global civilization similar to
the kind that we have now. They continued evolving with all this
psycho-tronic and shamanically derived, and now by this time you can
imagine it was an unbelievably exotic and alien, uh, civilization
compared to our own.
The fruits of their
psychedelic and psychoanalytic investigations into higher space was the
discovery of our world. [laughter] They found out what had happened,
they figured it out; by studying dreams and by making deep journeys into
the psychedelic space they were able to discover our sleeping
unconscious with its repository of the legacy of the Christian centuries
under the reign of this demiurgic ideology. And they conceived of the
notion of saving us.
And
it, it has to do with this whole thing about the UFO’s, and influencing
dreams, and astral traveling, and the other side, is actually the
manifestation of this bizarre Greco-Mayan postmodern star-faring
civilization trying to reach across the dimensions to save us from the
momentum of our history by making us aware of, first of all, their
existence, and then also their technology which is evolving towards a
point where, I think around the Mayan millennium, around 2012, we will flow past the time island, and the two time-streams will be rejoined. And we will make peace with this civilization
which is now 1,000 years more advanced than us with this totally
different cultural history and this completely different take on
reality. So this came to me in the space of about 15 seconds [audience
laughter] and uh more details have flowed in, I use it mostly as a
meditational device because it’s so interesting ask to be told about how
this other civilization developed.
Its
amazing exoticism, you know, its Neo-Platonism, its Taoism, its Mayan
influences melded into a completely different kind of civilization than
the one that we inherited. I’ve always thought, you know, that, that,
that Christianity, without making any judgement about Christ himself,
that Christianity is hands-down the single most reactionary force in all
of human history, and where would we be had that 1,200 years not been
given over to this peculiar meditation, you know. All the pieces were in
place for the kind of civilization that I’ve outlined, it was just, uh
coincidence.
Kat does not endorse this idea, [laughs] or even encourage it…
KM: He only told it to me a couple of days ago in Apache Junction at a
truck stop, or something, and he didn’t tell me it’s the plot for a
science fiction novel he said ‘this is the truth!’ and I said ‘let’s get
back to a good science fiction novel.’
Q: Well the thing is that it, it would on our level explain perhaps
the questions you were asking earlier. Why the teaching plants?
TM: Ye- sure.
KM: Yeah.
Q:
Another thing I was curious when you were talking, the physics nowadays
you can have an electron on one side of the universe and split it into
two and separate them on two sides of the universe and they are still in
communication with each other so is that why, logically, you can bring
the time island back together again?
TM:
Yeah, this would be a quantum-mechanical super macro-physical Bell's
Theorem event, a kind of, a kind of hyper dimensional vacuum fluctuation
where the two worlds spring apart, sail along for a period then parity
is conserved and they're rejoined.
Q:
This is interesting. I’ve had dreams that are parallel, and its very
interesting that you bring this up, I’ve not heard of it before... .
[...]
...the
part of the myth which I didn’t tell you which I will now tell you was, uh, that, uh, naturally, well, they were
developing and exploring technical options hundreds of years ago and
they, uh, discovered the theoretics for nuclear fusion
and fission but they never used it, until a few hundred years later one
of their great theoreticians- this was after they had discovered our
time stream -made the prediction that the physics of atomic explosions
were such that they would cross the time stream, and so they performed
an experiment by detonating an atomic device in what is our year 1907
and this was the Tungusca event. And then by monitoring the dreams of
Siberian shamans which they had in clear focus, they saw aha, this explosion
which we actually set off did occur in both time streams and at that
point they became very interested in monitoring our, uh, time stream
because they were picking up the dreams of a Swiss telegraph worker
[audience chuckles] who seemed to be pushing toward an unimaginable
conclusion. So now there is a certain amount of urgency because if we
explode our atomic stockpiles it will wreck the place that they call
“Home world”.
Q: [unintelligible]
TM:
Yes, yes. Not self-preservation because they now have star flight and
encompass many systems, but preservation of Home World which, on the
other side, is a vast botanical and ecological preserve from pole to
pole, I mean it’s a sacred site of pilgrimage... . And the notion that suddenly
great parts of it will be blown apart by leakage from hyperspace of one
of our atomic wars is impelling them now to attempt to open the doorway
and rejoin the time streams and we'll be allowed a few years inside the
botanical park to acclimate and then most people will ship off for the
stars, I imagine.
Q: [unintelligible]
...you know its the claim of christian theologians that Christ comes in the centre of history, they speak this same language, before Christ, no souls were entering heaven, he freed the valve and now its possible to enter into heaven, for everyone before his intercession that was impossible.
[...]
Before
I had this idea, I had another which I’ll tell you (laughter) which was
a completely different kind of idea and it’s the idea that there is an
overmind, this doesn’t involve other dimensions.
There
is an over-mind co-present on this planet and when technology, when the
development of technology exceeds the development of ethics then this
over-mind can work miracles. Because the over-mind is plugged into each
of the individual minds that compose it, this miracle always has this
unbelievably creepy quality of being exactly the thing which can
convince you to change your mind [editors note: compare with this passage from Jung's The Meaning of Modern Psychology: "the compensation always makes its appearance just where one would least expect it, and where, objectively considered, it seems least plausible"].
In
other words it like it reads you so perfectly that it’s able to present
the one situation which you can not refuse, so in the case of Rome, you
know Rome was a pigsty, Pasterna called it ‘a bargain basement that ran
on two floors’, it ran on slavery and it ran on brutality and captive
populations and outrageous garrisoning of military power in foreign
lands.
People like
Diophantus, this mathematician I mentioned and hero of Alexandria, these
people were on the brink of the calculus and the steam engine. So the
over-mind is seeing that and seeing their appalling ethical state sent
their miraculous personage of Christ who in a world where information
could not move faster than a horses gallop, this religion within 60
years was beating at the gates of Rome itself, it was like a fire you
know just burned through the empire, and changed everything, and halted
technical advance.
Everything stopped, now I
created this idea in an effort to explain the UFOs because the new
theory of UFOs or the new school of UFOs says “we’ve been wrong to ask
what are they, that has not been fruitful, what we should be doing is
asking what are they doing?”
What are they doing?
...what the flying saucers are doing [based on polls of people who claim contact] is that they are sowing disbelief in science.
They cause people to not believe in scientists, because scientists come off so lame when asked to explain flying saucers [i.e., to people for whom the experience is real].
It’s
like, the flying saucer is a confounding of science in the same way
that the resurrection was the complete confounding of Greek stoicism,
and democracy, and materialism in the Roman world. ...the statistics are now something like 12 or 11
percent of the American population have seen a flying saucers 52 percent
believe flying saucers are real. It is a faith which is percolating up from the lower levels,
its people who live in trailer courts and read Fate magazine who are the
believers in this thing.
What
it may be is an intercession on the part of the over-mind, which it can
do anything, it can do anything from our point of view.
In
the most extreme version of this idea I said “What if enormous
space-crafts were to fall into orbit around this planet?” and “What if
television images of this craft were to be beamed into every home on the
planet?” Then a
teaching revealed some completely mind boggling thing which you could
have thought of it yourself but you never did, which is always how these
things are. Then suddenly, then after 30 days
of melting the nuclear arsenals and causing all cancers to disappear and
curing all infectious diseases and delivering this message the enormous
spacecraft disappears.Then everybody says “My god, we have been abandoned, we have been abandoned again into time.” And
you know…history would halt, everybody would do nothing but study the
teachings of the saucer and try to figure out how we can get right with
them, how we can figure out how to get them to come back. Dogmatism,
theories of communication, priestcraft, the whole thing.
Though
I am fascinated with the flying saucer, and what it says about the
malleability of mind and matter [and the partition between psychology and physics], I think mature civilizations should not
be haunted by Messiahs or Flying Saucers. That these things are like
metaphysical spankings imposed from on high that are saying, you know, "it’s a boot
in the tail, wake up! Stop repressing."
K: Lets take your two ideas,... what does the over-mind have to do with, or think of the double time stream?
Terence: Now that’s a question I never would have asked. You mean if that’s true?
K: well, in your two theories earlier in one the overmind was injecting forces of change or conservativism into the world, the other that events that came from... that was the demiurge-- is the demiurge related to the overmind?
I sort of think of these as mutually exclusive. I think the demiurge is a negative expression of the over-mind. I think of the over-mind as the logos, you know, it’s the understanding and self-existence which permeates everything, and the demiurge is the force of matter and time and cosmic destiny which is always trying to lock in the logos and condition it and make it subject to the rules of the physical universe of space and time. The logos is like something-- this is all Gnostic theology by the way, this is just straight from the book-- the logos is trying to struggle through the labyrinth of the material universe to escape, to rejoin the real source of itself which is outside of matter, matter is viewed [in terms of Gnosticism] as an entrapment.
If
any of you have read the late works of Phillip K Dick, he was probing
in these areas, he was a genius, his book Veilus is pure exegesis of
his internal... unravelment of what was going on. His
take on it was that he believed from AD 69 until 1948, no time had
actually passed and that we were living in apostolic time, and that the
crucifixion lay only 75 years in the past, and that the demiurge had
inserted a false history, and the Nag Hammadi manuscripts, he believed,
were actually the logos as printed letters and when the Nag Hammadi
manuscripts were deciphered it was like this informational creature would
come alive and again be present on the earth. Like
the Logos in 1948 was beginning to infuse everything and that shortly
it would dissolve the illusion of the intervening 1,860 years or
whatever it was and then we would realize that the prophecy would be
fulfilled and that the last days were upon us.
[...]
The
Christos is the thing... history is ruled by the archetypes which the
people can generate, I mean most people are very ordinary, I mean your
Mick Jaggers and your Henry Kissingers are very ordinary people but they
are able to project an archetype and that is the thing which sets them
apart. And when that
reaches the kind of super intense focus that you get in a Mohammed or a
Christ, then you know history is just putty in the hands of the force,
not the person, the person is usually martyred in some horrible way. But
the archetype draws energy to itself, and we don’t understand how this
process works.
[...]
Different
archetypes apparently are suitable to different times, I mean you can
almost pause at an astrological theory of archetypes, but its something
about how…what’s appropriate for the 1st century AD is not appropriate
for the 15th. When the archetype is appropriate, nothing can stop it. The modern term for archetypes is paradigm. We
expect it not to be a person, not a messiah, but an idea which will
save us all which will then give us certain affinities with Mystical
Judaism where the Messiah was expected in the form of an idea, and this
is sort of our faith. We are Messianic ideologues or something like
that.
[...]
In
astrology, something I like is that the symbol for Pisces is a symbol
with 2 lines and a line going through it, it’s the definition of
relationship quality by opposition, it’s polarity, it’s right and wrong,
good-bad, male-female, Russians-Americans.
The
Aquarian one which is 2 lines of waves over each other is one of
resonance, it’s one of dolphins jumping in the waves together... .
That
breaks down all the of the dualistic bonds, and I think we’re right at
the crux right at the moment, the place between Pisces and Aquarius
where we’re kind of 2 worlds again, flipping from one side of
opposition, being torn from life and death and seeing, as the Christ I
feel was that prototype, that template, of light and spirit and matter
coming together... .
[The Rites of Spring, 1986]